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 Post subject: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:11 am 
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Jack Osbourne diagnosed with MS, Ozzy and Sharon reveal
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The Osbournes have revealed that son Jack has multiple sclerosis (MS).

The TV and music star family said Jack was diagnosed from tests taken when he lost 60% vision in his right eye earlier this year.

He told Hello! that after first feeling angry and upset he has now taken an attitude of "adapt and overcome".

MS is an incurable neurological condition that damages the nerves and affects the transfer of messages around the body.

Jack Osbourne, 26, said he had chosen to speak out in order to raise awareness of the condition. He added that the support of his fiancee Lisa Stelly was helping him to stay positive.

MS can have a wide range of symptoms, including tiredness, temporary blindness, loss of co-ordination and speech difficulties.

It is unpredictable and affects everyone differently. One in five sufferers has a benign form with mild attacks and no permanent disability, while another 15% have a progressive disease that steadily worsens.

Jack Osbourne was diagnosed with the condition three weeks after the birth of daughter Pearl, now two months old.

"The timing was so bad," he said. "I'd just had a baby, work was going great - I kept thinking: 'Why now?'"
Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne are finding Jack's illness hard to come to terms with

Parents Ozzy and Sharon said they were still trying to come to terms with their son's condition.

Former X Factor judge Sharon said she had been asking herself if she was to blame.

"I kept thinking: 'What did I do wrong, what did I eat or drink when I was pregnant?' I feel like it's somehow my fault."

Former Black Sabbath star Ozzy said: "If it was me, you'd think: 'Ozzy had a reputation and it caught up with him', but Jack is such a good guy."

Jack Osbourne - known as an extreme sports enthusiast - will use a combination of daily drug treatments, holistic therapies and lifestyle changes.

The family were the subject of a worldwide hit reality TV show, The Osbournes, which originally aired on MTV between 2002 and 2005.

The programme, also featuring the Osbournes' daughter Kelly, won an Emmy award in 2002.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:30 am 
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Sad news really

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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:34 am 
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The curse of reality TV endures.

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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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At first I said "good, who gives a shit."

Then I said "This is shitty for anyone no matter what you think of them, and it sucks big time."

Finally when I read about him trying holistic "medicine", I said "good, dumb fuck doesn't deserve to pollute the gene pool more."


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:16 pm 

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There's no cure for MS. Let him try any treatment he wants. This isn't like refusing to vaccinate your kids. I wish him luck. I wouldn't wish MS on anyone, even Sharon.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:18 pm 
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Girl I used to work with has it too...the "benign" kind. She's really hoping for some government weed if our state gets into that action. Being followed by the moon shadow is not a bad trade off for some sticky green, in her eyes.

I'm seeing a chubby Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan in that Jack Osbourne pic.

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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:59 pm 

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He can afford much better treatment options than any of us, so in that regard my sympathy is fairly limited.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:13 pm 
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Has he lost his mind?
Can he see or is he blind?
Can he walk at all,
Or if he moves will he fall?

The symptoms of MS are pretty similar to what Iron Man suffers from.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:41 pm 
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So nice of his parents to make that announcement for him.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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So when's the new Osbourne MS reality show? I think Sharon is already in contract negotiations.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:47 pm 
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Josh wrote:
There's no cure for MS. Let him try any treatment he wants. This isn't like refusing to vaccinate your kids. I wish him luck. I wouldn't wish MS on anyone, even Sharon.

Agreed.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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Josh wrote:
There's no cure for MS. Let him try any treatment he wants. This isn't like refusing to vaccinate your kids. I wish him luck. I wouldn't wish MS on anyone, even Sharon.


Who said I wouldn't let him? I'm not trying to stop him, I just think he's an idiot... Just like Steve Jobs.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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AresOnasis wrote:
Josh wrote:
There's no cure for MS. Let him try any treatment he wants. This isn't like refusing to vaccinate your kids. I wish him luck. I wouldn't wish MS on anyone, even Sharon.


Who said I wouldn't let him? I'm not trying to stop him, I just think he's an idiot... Just like Steve Jobs.


You're a moron. People like Steve Jobs, and my friend, and my friend's wife will try anything to stay alive...and that knowledge will keep someone else alive in the future.

They want to live, and they'd be happy to help your dumb ass live a bit longer.
But you're too fat and content to get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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You're a moron. People like Steve Jobs, and my friend, and my friend's wife will try anything to stay alive...and that knowledge will keep someone else alive in the future.

They want to live, and they'd be happy to help your dumb ass live a bit longer.
But you're too fat and content to get it.



Steve did not try everything to stay alive. He refused to listen to real doctors. They told him to get surgery, and he probably would have lived. But he decided to spend the last year of his life doing stupid like homeopathy and other alternative "medicine" bullshit.

"Trying anything to stay alive" doesn't mean that they're not stupid. Should they be sacrificing goats as well? How does taking fake medicine and running around with triangles on your head helping other people stay alive? If you mean that laughter is the best medicine, then sure... You got a point there.

Sorry, but I will not accept pseudo science/medicine to go by unchallenged.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:39 am 
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Sure, try anything.

Especially giving obscene amounts of money to charlatans who can then continue to rip off others when you're long gone.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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That sucks for him, but if it means that Sharon will be pouring her money into MS charities and research then great.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:15 am 
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I don't think you start sacrificing goats until you have ruled out medical chances. But if you tell me "you have 5% possibilities of surviving after this destructive treatment that will 100% accelerate your pains and impairments and multiply them by 17" then I would do anything my means can afford me (that does not involve bathing in virgins blood or hurting others) I think I would set up a tent in some south american tribe and have a go at watever stuff they use to communicate with spirits... at least an intense experience before the end

i mean, Steve Jobs would have probably lived if he had surgery? and he preferred to burn some incense? Don't think so.

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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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berrugal wrote:
i mean, Steve Jobs would have probably lived if he had surgery? and he preferred to burn some incense? Don't think so.


don't know where your coming up with this because steve jobs had the pancreas surgery on the tumor and lived for 8 years afterwards. most of the controversy was over his decision to get the second surgery which being the liver transplant. some doctors thought this was unnecessary and shortened his life while other doctors thought it was a good idea and obviously carried it out. so its really some doctors opinion against other doctors opinion and really i ain't no specialist so i have no idea if he would have lived longer if he hadn't had the liver transplant.

edit: my apology didn't realize you were responding to someone else's lack of information and distortion of the facts of the case

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Steve did not try everything to stay alive. He refused to listen to real doctors. They told him to get surgery, and he probably would have lived. But he decided to spend the last year of his life doing stupid like homeopathy and other alternative "medicine" bullshit.


this is coming from a really uneducated place and completely ignores the facts of steve's case which is a real shame since this person seems to be implying that they are a fan of real science or something. i'd recommend reading this article

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-death-of-steve-jobs/

pay close attention to this part of the article

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For as much as the quacks are trying to claim that they could have cured Jobs if only they had given them the chance, there is, however, the chance of taking the opposite argument, namely that Jobs might have died because of his embrace of non-science-based treatments, too far in the other direction. Unfortunately, there is a skeptic who should really know better who did just that, using Steve Jobs’ death as evidence of the harm that alternative medicine can do. Now, given my reputation as someone who relentlessly applies the cudgel of reason, science, and critical thinking squarely to the back of the head of woo on a regular basis, you just might think that I would heartily approve of this line of argument. You’d be wrong, and not because I have any qualms whatsoever about appropriately blaming alternative medicine when someone pursues alternative medicine and ultimately dies. (I have, after all, done it myself on several occasions.) The key word is “appropriately,” and the reason that I’m not so hot on using Jobs’ death as a “negative anecdote” against “alternative” medicine is because I’m not so sure how appropriate doing so is in Jobs’ case. While Jobs certainly didn’t do himself any favors by waiting nine months to undergo definitive surgical therapy of his tumor, it’s very easy to overstate the potential harm that he did to himself by not immediately letting surgeons resect his tumor shortly after it was diagnosed eight years ago.


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Moreover, the other “alternative” therapy reportedly pursued by Jobs in Switzerland was a therapy based on radiation therapy, you know, the kind of therapy known to the likes of Adams as “burning” the cancer. In any case, Jobs apparently traveled to the University Hospital of Basel in Switzerland to receive a form of “hormone-delivered radiotherapy.” For some reason this is being portrayed in the press as somehow “alternative.” In reality, from what I can tell, it’s science-based, but experimental.


sorry but being in the programming field this subject hits close to home and you're grossly uneducated on the facts of job's case.


it also is saddening to see someone claiming to be on the side of science and then either completely distorting the facts or else being completely ignorant of them because let's face it, that just ain't very scientific no matter how you look at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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Brave Sir Robin wrote:
don't know where your coming up with this because steve jobs had the pancreas surgery on the tumor and lived for 8 years afterwards. most of the controversy was over his decision to get the second surgery which being the liver transplant.

That is not where the controversy is. Even after he had the liver transplant, he had a relapse. This is when he turned to woo medicine.

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this is coming from a really uneducated place and completely ignores the facts of steve's case which is a real shame since this person seems to be implying that they are a fan of real science or something. i'd recommend reading this article

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-death-of-steve-jobs/

pay close attention to this part of the article


It's written by a self admitted fanboy that links to articles of him going to proper clinics, 8-10 months before his death. Which doesn't contradict my claims in any way. That trip to Switzerland happened before his liver transplant and almost 2 years before his death.

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For as much as the quacks are trying to claim that they could have cured Jobs if only they had given them the chance, there is, however, the chance of taking the opposite argument, namely that Jobs might have died because of his embrace of non-science-based treatments, too far in the other direction... /snip


Irrelevant. You're trying to pass off an opinion piece as fact.

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sorry but being in the programming field this subject hits close to home and you're grossly uneducated on the facts of job's case.


Except that you haven't even read the source you linked apparently. You even got the reason wrong as to why there is controversy.

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it also is saddening to see someone claiming to be on the side of science and then either completely distorting the facts or else being completely ignorant of them because let's face it, that just ain't very scientific no matter how you look at it.

Interesting, coming from someone that relied on an opinion piece with irrelevant links that related to events that happened 2 years prior to death.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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i read the piece and know exactly why there is controversy. i read this piece when it came out and have followed his story and treatment the whole time and cannot for the life of me figure out what surgery you are claiming he did not get against his doctor's orders since he had two surgeries. i assumed you were confused by the second surgery, as many considered that one to have shortened his life since many in the medical industry believe you can live with a tumor like that in the liver for another ten years since these tumors are slow growing.

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Getting a liver transplant to treat a metastasized neuroendocrine tumor is controversial because livers are scarce and the surgery’s efficacy as a cure hasn’t been proved, Dr. Hawkins added. He said that patients whose tumors have metastasized can live for as many as 10 years without any treatment so it is hard to determine how successful a transplant has been in curing the disease.


i guess i was wrong on that count but i still think you are pretty confused about the actual facts of the case. what surgery are you talking about again, the one that steve jobs did not get?


also aren't you trying to pass off your own opinion as fact, that jobs died as a result of ignoring his doctors orders to get some surgery which you still haven't specified? because you have provided nothing to back this up and i'm going to value the opinion of a science and medical magazine over some kid on the internet any day of the month.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:58 pm 
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Who gives a flying fuck?

Steve Jobs is dead, Jack Osbourne will die, and so will we all.

Try to focus on the tits, people.

Sheesh.

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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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Brave Sir Robin wrote:
i guess i was wrong on that count but i still think you are pretty confused about the actual facts of the case. what surgery are you talking about again, the one that steve jobs did not get?

The initial one after the diagnosis. He spent 9 months ignoring doctors and doing the alternative medicine thing. I misstated that it was the last 9 months.

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also aren't you trying to pass off your own opinion as fact, that jobs died as a result of ignoring his doctors orders to get some surgery which you still haven't specified?

I said "he probably would have lived".

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Getting a liver transplant to treat a metastasized neuroendocrine tumor is controversial because livers are scarce and the surgery’s efficacy as a cure hasn’t been proved, Dr. Hawkins added. He said that patients whose tumors have metastasized can live for as many as 10 years without any treatment so it is hard to determine how successful a transplant has been in curing the disease.


That quote you posted is irrelevant. Nobody is saying he would have been cured. As far as I know, pancreatic cancer can't be cured at this time.

Here's a quote from Job's biographer when he was on 60 minutes.

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I've asked [Jobs why he didn't get an operation then] and he said, 'I didn't want my body to be opened...I didn't want to be violated in that way,'" Isaacson recalls. So he waited nine months, while his wife and others urged him to do it, before getting the operation, reveals Isaacson. Asked by Kroft how such an intelligent man could make such a seemingly stupid decision, Isaacson replies, "I think that he kind of felt that if you ignore something, if you don't want something to exist, you can have magical thinking...we talked about this a lot," he tells Kroft. "He wanted to talk about it, how he regretted it....I think he felt he should have been operated on sooner.


Here's a link to a verified comment made by a Harvard researcher that spent time studying that specific type of tumour. It requires a Twitter or Facebook login, if you're unwilling to do so, I can post it somewhere else.

http://www.quora.com/Steve-Jobs/Why-did ... his-cancer


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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Who gives a flying fuck?

Steve Jobs is dead, Jack Osbourne will die, and so will we all.

Try to focus on the tits, people.

Sheesh.


I've seen Jack's tits... They're nothing special.


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 Post subject: Re: Jack Osbourne has MS
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Yeah, but back in their fat teen days, he & his sister had far bigger racks than they do now.

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