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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:10 pm 
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nah man you guys try to act like i dont know what im talking about. and you basically dismiss everything that i say. so im showing you an example of where i am right.



I can't speak for anyone else but I have had you blocked for the longest time because I've found you to be one of the most arrogant and obnoxious posters here, not because I disagree with your points. I have only recently unblocked you to see if you have mellowed out a bit, which you kind of have, but you have often made your responses so personal, attacking everyone else and elevating yourself, speaking down to everyone here that these discussions had become a lot more enjoyable by simply ignoring you.

Not everyone is going to agree with your arguments. That's part of the enjoyment about discussing sports, is the back and forth. Just try not to take things so personal when people disagree with your comments and don't be so personal in your responses and I think you'll get a better response from folks here.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
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Adam wrote:
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nah man you guys try to act like i dont know what im talking about. and you basically dismiss everything that i say. so im showing you an example of where i am right.



I can't speak for anyone else but I have had you blocked for the longest time because I've found you to be one of the most arrogant and obnoxious posters here, not because I disagree with your points. I have only recently unblocked you to see if you have mellowed out a bit, which you kind of have, but you have often made your responses so personal, attacking everyone else and elevating yourself, speaking down to everyone here that these discussions had become a lot more enjoyable by simply ignoring you.

Not everyone is going to agree with your arguments. That's part of the enjoyment about discussing sports, is the back and forth. Just try not to take things so personal when people disagree with your comments and don't be so personal in your responses and I think you'll get a better response from folks here.

i am not taking anything personally at all man. i just feel like that every single point that i make alot of you guys go out of your way to make it out like i dont know what im talking about. im not trying to be arrogant or anything. it just gets annoying when everything that i say is discredited when 7 times out of 10 i am right. can you please tell me who won the afc west?

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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
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Demon Lung wrote:
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nah man you guys try to act like i dont know what im talking about. and you basically dismiss everything that i say. so im showing you an example of where i am right.



I can't speak for anyone else but I have had you blocked for the longest time because I've found you to be one of the most arrogant and obnoxious posters here, not because I disagree with your points. I have only recently unblocked you to see if you have mellowed out a bit, which you kind of have, but you have often made your responses so personal, attacking everyone else and elevating yourself, speaking down to everyone here that these discussions had become a lot more enjoyable by simply ignoring you.

Not everyone is going to agree with your arguments. That's part of the enjoyment about discussing sports, is the back and forth. Just try not to take things so personal when people disagree with your comments and don't be so personal in your responses and I think you'll get a better response from folks here.

i am not taking anything personally at all man. i just feel like that every single point that i make alot of you guys go out of your way to make it out like i dont know what im talking about. im not trying to be arrogant or anything. it just gets annoying when everything that i say is discredited when 7 times out of 10 i am right. can you please tell me who won the afc west?

a perfect example was when i mentioned that trent dilfer hadnt done things as a qb. hungus didnt even bother to look it up he just went ahead and said that i was wrong. when i was right

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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:31 pm 
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it just gets annoying when everything that i say is discredited when 7 times out of 10 i am righ


There you go again. Honestly, in this specific circumstance I get why you would make that kind of argument. But for the million other times you have used this argument (often with a higher success rate) it was was a meaningless argument, no one cares about how smart you think you are. Everyone thinks they are generally right in their arguments, you aren't alone in that regard. Let your arguments do the talking for you and if people disagree, sobeit.

The nature of discussing sports is that not everyone is going to agree with everything everyone says, that's part of the fun. If, IMO, you wouldn't be so combative and challenge others on a personal level, which by telling everyone how right you are (and thus wrong everyone else is), people would be a little less combative and dismissive towards.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:06 pm 
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Demon Lung wrote:
a perfect example was when i mentioned that trent dilfer hadnt done things as a qb. hungus didnt even bother to look it up he just went ahead and said that i was wrong. when i was right


Denver "won" the AFC West.

Just don't buy into his argument then.

I do think, when inclined, you could use Dilfer's stats against Smith: more than once Dilfer has thrown more td's in a season than Smith ever has, his best yds per season isn't that far off of Smiths career best ( around 300 yds only), and their career QB rating is pretty damn close.

Obviously, we disagree here and nothings going to change until Smith does something drastic to change one of our opinions. You obviously think you're right, I think I am right, in the end who is right is probably in the eye of the beholder.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
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Adam wrote:
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a perfect example was when i mentioned that trent dilfer hadnt done things as a qb. hungus didnt even bother to look it up he just went ahead and said that i was wrong. when i was right


Denver "won" the AFC West.

Just don't buy into his argument then.

I do think, when inclined, you could use Dilfer's stats against Smith: more than once Dilfer has thrown more td's in a season than Smith ever has, his best yds per season isn't that far off of Smiths career best ( around 300 yds only), and their career QB rating is pretty damn close.

Obviously, we disagree here and nothings going to change until Smith does something drastic to change one of our opinions. You obviously think you're right, I think I am right, in the end who is right is probably in the eye of the beholder.

denver? wow

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this draft is so qb heavy that if the colts dont trade their pick then they are stupid. they could force the dolphins to give then this years #2 pick then their 3rd round pick this year and their #1 pick next year. what the colts told me this year is that they need alot more than a qb. the polians got fired btw. if i were the colts id go after a top flight offensive lineman in the draft.

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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
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Polians axed was a bit of a shocker. Makes me wonder how they intend to handle the Manning situation now.

Angelo out in Chicago is a bit of a surprise as well. He's clearly been unable to ever develop an offense so that he would get fired makes some sense, but its never been an issue in the past and it seems like the Bears failures this year were largely a result of injuries to Forte and Cutler.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
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Adam wrote:
Polians axed was a bit of a shocker. Makes me wonder how they intend to handle the Manning situation now.

Angelo out in Chicago is a bit of a surprise as well. He's clearly been unable to ever develop an offense so that he would get fired makes some sense, but its never been an issue in the past and it seems like the Bears failures this year were largely a result of injuries to Forte and Cutler.


Not a surprise at all, really.

There's been a ton of talk for the last 6-8 weeks that Angelo was going to retire at season's end.

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Chicago must have hated Angelo if they wouldn't just let him retire and let him go out with a little more dignity?


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 Post subject: Re: 2011/2012 NFL Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:50 pm 
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Chicago must have hated Angelo if they wouldn't just let him retire and let him go out with a little more dignity?


Perhaps the one year of pay remaining on his contract is enough dignity. Angelo was not well liked by the fan base, so maybe the "firing" is a PR move on the Bears part.Wouldn't at all be surprised if "team president" Ted Phillips gets a re-assigned role as well.

I'm guessing the Polian firing is the catalyst for Angelo being gone.
2 assistant coaches will be gone, it allows a new GM to bring in his guys to prepare for when Lovie Smith exits in the next year or two.

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And so the restructuring process in Chicago begins...at least that's what I hope lil' bro McCaskey is doing...the handwriting is on the wall for Lovie and Phillips...and, somebody, please fire Martz, for fuck's sake...hard to argue with Angelo's successes - 4 division titles in 11 years - but the team's struggles over the last 5 years, his titanic failures in the draft, free agency and his mishandling of fan favs - namely Forte, Briggs, Olin Kreutz and Thomas Jones - snowballed on him...hopefully, whoever the Bears hire will have a record of drafting a great QB or two (Polian)...grooming a QB in Chicago is akin to growing flowers in the desert.

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That extra year of money probably makes getting fired more practical, but getting fired is always a blow to your ego.

Martz just resigned you got your wish, heavy. Andy Reid remains for another season so Frog doesn't get his. I'd have been fine with a Reid dismissal this year as the coaching pool is as rich as its ever been (Fisher, Gruden, Cowher all as possibilities). Both Turner and Smith sticking around in SD which is a bit of a shocker, I was hoping Smith would go as I find him to be an abrasive type.


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Martz's firing is a dream come true...my condolences to Frog re: Reid's retainment...the move in S.D. is a head scratcher, given how it was almost a foregone conclusion that Turner and Smith were toast...I know they had injuries, but it's inexplicable how a team with that talent can't win that shitty of a division...I keep hearing Billick's name getting dropped in amongst the heavy hitters...anybody familiar with the coordinators in the running for any of these jobs?...who'll be the next McCarthy?


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And so the restructuring process in Chicago begins...at least that's what I hope lil' bro McCaskey is doing...the handwriting is on the wall for Lovie and Phillips...and, somebody, please fire Martz, for fuck's sake...hard to argue with Angelo's successes - 4 division titles in 11 years - but the team's struggles over the last 5 years, his titanic failures in the draft, free agency and his mishandling of fan favs - namely Forte, Briggs, Olin Kreutz and Thomas Jones - snowballed on him...hopefully, whoever the Bears hire will have a record of drafting a great QB or two (Polian)...grooming a QB in Chicago is akin to growing flowers in the desert.

Angelo's draft hits and misses: http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/p ... and-misses


Mishandling?
Kreutz was offered a fair deal, declined, took less money to go somewhere else, then retired 1/4 of the way into the season. Methinks the Bears knew he was washed up. Briggs signed a six year deal in 2008, and wants a raise. He and his agent felt good enough about the deal to sign it. This, after he threw a hissy fit for being franchised in 2007 (and being paid more than his 6 mil per year avg from his current contract.) I feel badly that others are paid more than he is, i do...but he signed the contract. tough shit. Thomas Jones...eh. The gambled on Benson, and lost. Forte is still to be seen.

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^ I wasn't referring to the merits of the decisions, just the way Angelo handled them...the guy proved time and again that he was ham-fisted when it came to managing personnel and that reflected poorly in the local media and it pissed off the fan base...and while winning has a way of making fans forget about the axing of a favorite player (New England has been doing it for years w/ great success), Angelo's final five years will be remembered more for poorly handled and acrimonious personnel dustups than wins, IMO.


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Derrick Mason officially retired today. He was the epitome of a possesion receiver.

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Derrick Mason officially retired today. He was the epitome of a possesion receiver.

now unfortunatly welker and hernandez and jimmy graham are

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Demon Lung wrote:
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Derrick Mason officially retired today. He was the epitome of a possesion receiver.

now unfortunatly welker and hernandez and jimmy graham are




Hernandez and Graham are TE.

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Derrick Mason officially retired today. He was the epitome of a possesion receiver.

now unfortunatly welker and hernandez and jimmy graham are




Hernandez and Graham are TE.

are they really? they are listed as te's but are they really?

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Jeff Fisher finally chooses STL.

I am sure its a tough blow for Miami but I think I agree with their decision not to give their the coach all the extra power of choosing his GM, having authority over player decisions, etc.

Interesting tidbit on Megatron. Detroit has to resign him and he's worth it when healthy, but he's got that back problem and that is always a concern of being a recurring issue. Detroits going to have to bite the bullet though and it will be the right decision.

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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Calvin Johnson will make roughly $22 million between his base salary and bonuses in the final year of his rookie deal in 2012.
That huge salary puts Johnson in a commanding position as he and Detroit enter into long-term talks, as it means he'd be in line for an astronomical $27.5 million under the franchise tag in 2013. According to Schefter, Johnson's asking price will be "no less" than the eight-year, $120 million contract (which included $50 million guaranteed) Larry Fitzgerald signed last summer.


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Fisher going to STL is intriguing, given how little he has to work with...Bradford regressed, Lloyd is all but gone via free agency and the secondary is tailor-made for "where are they now" trivia...Long, Lauranitis and the aging Steven Jackson are solid, but it's a tough road in STL...the move is really intriguing, given all the murmuring about the Rams leaving STL...makes one wonder if Fisher's experience with such a move (Houston-to-TN) might've had something to do with his decision...given Fisher's history of focusing on o-line development and RB play, I'll be curious to see what the Rams do with their second pick in the first round of the draft...trade it, draft Richardson out of Alabama, or surprise everyone and go for a DB like Mathieu out of LSU?...should be interesting.

Anybody have any thoughts on the NO-SF matchup today?...I'll be rooting for SF, but NO's offense is damn near unstoppable even against an elite defense...21-13 Saints.


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STL has to trade that pick. Especially when you hear Cleveland is a potential partner and sitting at #4, you got to think whoever they are targeting at 2 will be there 2 picks later. They shouldn't lose their target plus they'll bring in additional picks.

I think STL should go defense but with a young, developing WR you got to make sure he's got the tools to allow him to succeed. O-line and WR is probably where I would target if I were them. It'll be interesting to see just where they go with it.

I got NO tonight....which means SF. I have made every bad pick this off season when it comes to the playoffs. NO, GB, NE, Baltimore are my picks.


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