Baseball 2012

Mr Neutron · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:17 pm

More interleague play is a bad idea. It's already uninteresting.

I wouldve like to see the Nationals go to the American league, and Cinci go to the NL east.

and, hey! Cubs have their new manager... now all the nonsensical Fielder rumors can start.

heavythisaxe · **Joined:** Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:18 am **Posts:** 1926

My guesses:

Babe Ruth
Willie Mays
Jimmie Foxx
Sammy Sosa
Jim Rice
Johnny Mize
George Bell
Adam Dunn
Carlos ("KO") Pena
Norm Cash (?)
Matt Kemp (?)

EDIT: I actually have a Dale Sveum baseball card somewhere in my house...remember struggling to pronounce his name as a child.

Mr Red · **Posted:** Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:57 am

With the new league alignments, they'll probably ditch the one weekend in May and three weekends of June interleague play and spread it out amongst the entire season.

I'm in favor of letting the teams play these interleague games by the visitors set of rules. So if the Mets go to the Yankees, they play by the NL rules. It would spice things up for the crowds at least. It was pretty cool for mysel as an M's fan when Florida moved their home series to Seattle because of their douchebag U2 concert in Miami. We got to root on our pitchers batting and see completely different game in our own park.

whoshotthefrog · **Joined:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:17 pm **Posts:** 2367

heavythisaxe wrote:

My guesses:

Babe Ruth
Willie Mays
Jimmie Foxx
Sammy Sosa
Jim Rice
Johnny Mize
George Bell
Adam Dunn
Carlos ("KO") Pena
Norm Cash (?)
Matt Kemp (?)

EDIT: I actually have a Dale Sveum baseball card somewhere in my house...remember struggling to pronounce his name as a child.

You got 10 of 11 correct. The most Kemp has hit in a year was 39, which he did last season. The guy you're missing is Wally Post.

RalphSnart · **Posted:** Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:34 am

I'm not in favor of more playoff teams/games, but I was totally in favor of evening out the teams in each league and division. Six team and four team divisions were blatantly unfair. I could never understand why they spent so much time on piddly ass technicalities and completely ignored that. How is it not significantly harder to stay in the playoff race when you have an extra team battling you in your division? And how was it not easier when you had one less than everybody else?

Adam · **Posted:** Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:14 pm

Quote:

A source tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Ryan Madson will lose Type A status under the new collective bargaining agreement.
All remaining Type A relievers, including Madson, Francisco Rodriguez, and Heath Bell, are not subject to draft-pick compensation this offseason. Teams that sign them and certain other Type A free agents will not forfeit their picks, but teams that lose those players will still receive compensation. Rosenthal also notes that the Phillies will still forfeit their first-round pick for signing Jonathon Papelbon, despite the new requirement under of the current set of rule changes.

I never quite understood why closers were valued as highly as they were. The idea that a Ryan Madsen was valued higher than last years batting champion just felt off.

whoshotthefrog · **Joined:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:17 pm **Posts:** 2367

The Phillies just traded cash and a player to be named later to the Rockies for Ty Wiggington. It's a good move for the Phil's because Wigginton can play multiple positions and provided them with a nice right-handed bat off the bench.

Adam · **Posted:** Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:55 pm

Quote:

Phillies acquired infielder Ty Wigginton from the Rockies for a player to be named later or cash.
On a slow day in baseball, the Phillies made a nice, stealthy acquisition in taking Wigginton off Colorado's hands. The Rockies wanted to shed Wigginton even if it meant covering some of his $3.5 million salary next season (with a $4 million option for 2013 or a $500,000 buyout). Indeed, Troy Renck of the Denver Post reports that Colorado will cover half his 2012 salary. The 34-year-old Wigginton batted .242/.315/.416 with 15 home runs, 47 RBI and a .731 OPS over 446 plate appearances this season while playing first base, third base and both corner outfield spots. In Philly, he'll provide insurance at first base while Ryan Howard is shelved and challenge Placido Polanco at third base, all while providing a bench bat and another backup outfielder. Wigginton hasn't topped a .750 OPS since 2008 and isn't a strong defender at third base, but he's a poor man's Michael Cuddyer for a fraction of the price.

I am getting a confusing read on the parameters of the Wiggington deal. Sounds like its a PTBNL or cash for Wiggington while Colorado could be covering half his 2012 salary? Sounds like Colorado is throwing in cash, not Philly?

Adam · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:45 pm

Verlander AL MVP.

I don't like giving starting pitchers the award, they only contribute every 5 games or so. He wouldn't have gotten my vote.

Demon Lung · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:12 pm

I understand because verlander did a lot more than pitch every 5 days. He was the anchor that kept that whole pitching staff afloat. He went deep Into most games keePing the bullpen fresh for the other starters. Verlander more than deserved it. Would you give to ellsbury? The red sox pulled the biggest choke job in MLB history. Grander son hit 270 and Bautista fell off after the break. And we saw what Michael young did in the playoffs. Miggy is a wife beating alcolholic so They would be dumb to give it to him. They did what they had to do

Karl Hungus · **Joined:** Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:24 pm **Posts:** 1394

some of these idiots ought to have their voting privledges revoked..

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Bullio · **Joined:** Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:25 pm **Posts:** 723

Verlander's MVP is well deserved, IMO.

whoshotthefrog · **Joined:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:17 pm **Posts:** 2367

The Rangers signed Joe Nathan to a 2 year/$14.5 million deal with a team option for a third year. Maybe with this signing the Rangers will move Feliz to a spot in the rotation.

Demon Lung · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:08 pm

Awesome

Adam · **Posted:** Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:35 pm

I'd have given the MVP to Cabrera.

With CJ Wilson looking to be leaving Texas, seems like the right time to move Feliz into the rotation.

Mr Red · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:08 am

I think MVP should primarily go to position players, but Verlander had the best argument since I've been following MLB as closely as I do now.

The next closest pitcher was Sabathia, who had what would have been a Cy Young (or runner up) year in any of the last ten years. And Verlander beat him by five wins! That's huge. That's a month more of starts locked down as wins. It is tough to find an elite player who can produce five more wins that their second place competitor. You know, did Ellsbury produce five more wins that Bautista, Granderson or Cabrera did? Probably not.

In the NL, yeah based on what I see, it think Kemp is probably the most applicable guy to put in that category. They were a dogshit team and somehow they managed to end up with a winning record.

Mr Red · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:14 am

And yeah, the Rangers are moving Feliz to the rotation but that's too much money to give to Nathan. Oh well, if it ends up fucking them, all the better for everyone else in the AL West.

Speaking of which, some pretty interesting negotiation going on with the A's relocation to San Jose. The Giants claim if the A's end up down there, it'll end up bankrupting them. A report on mlbtraderumors.com says if the A's get blocked from relocation that Beane quits and takes the Dodgers GM job. An ironic dynamic is happening down there, especially if Beane ends up as the LA GM because the Giants blocked the A's relocation. Sets the table for the Moneyball sequel.

Demon Lung · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:43 am

How many world series has billy beanes moneyball methods wOn? Billy beane is overrated. And if Ryan Braun doesn't win nl MVP then it's a travesty. Matt kemp lol. His team didn't even come close to winning their division but they get the cy young and MVP? At least the tigers made the płayoffs. Your rational on Matt kemp winning it blows my mind

whoshotthefrog · **Joined:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:17 pm **Posts:** 2367

I want Braun to win the MVP too, but I think Cecil Jr may take away some of his votes.

heavythisaxe · **Joined:** Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:18 am **Posts:** 1926

The Nathan move is puzzling, given that his velocity has yet to return since his surgery...paying that kind of money to a closer who posted a post-surgery 4.84 ERA is a head scratcher...lotta money going to suspect closers this post-season.

Demon Lung · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:32 am

If Braun doesn't win then it should be pujols again

whoshotthefrog · **Joined:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:17 pm **Posts:** 2367

kyussfreak wrote:

If Braun doesn't win then it should be pujols again

What about Kemp?

Demon Lung · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:35 am

NO doubt he had the best year of anyone but to me kershaw winning the cy young kills it for him. I can't see how the writers could justify giving the awards to 2 different players on the same team that didn't even come close to msking the postseason . If it were set up like the new playoff system the dodgers still wouldn't have made it

Adam · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:40 am

Nathan rebounded in that second half, am sure Texas is gambling on that momentum being continued. I did read he's a fly ball pitcher though and I don't see how that works out in Arlington.

whoshotthefrog · **Joined:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:17 pm **Posts:** 2367

Braun won the MVP.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7269575/ryan-braun-milwaukee-brewers-wins-nl-mvp

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