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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:00 pm 

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clayton kershaw is a stud but he has never won more than 15 games, billingsly is a stud but he has been inconsistent. lilly is a bonafide ace in my eyes, he is underrated, kuroda hasnt proved anything to me although he did have a good year last year. who is after that john ely? vincinte padilla? yeah the dodgers have good potential to be a top staff but thats all it is right now is potential. the marlins have a proven ace and someone that pitches like an ace in the nl. nolasco has been inconsistent but he is a stud. and the cubbies have a good staff too and i think garza can be an nl ace. the braves rotation is pretty sweet. they arent the giants phillies or a's but who elses is? i like how the dodgers rotation has been built from their minor league program for the most part. the question about the dodgers is that horrible fucking bullpen. if broxton decides to be a closer again then they should be ok


Garland is LA's #5. Solid innings eater and playing in a pitcher friendly park should be able to hold his own I would think (kinda like last year in SD).

Too many people downplay Kuroda but he always posts solid ERA's (always in the 3's), healthy whip's, a decent K/BB ratio. And he's their #4 guy.

i forgot about garland. he is an innings eater

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:10 pm 
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Brandon Belt makes the Giants roster and is likely the starting 1B tomorrow. Woot.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:14 pm 

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Brandon Belt makes the Giants roster and is likely the starting 1B tomorrow. Woot.

awesome. more power in the lineup!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:04 am 
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I think it could be argued that either the Giants, Dodgers or Brewers are #2 behind the Phils as far as starting rotation. But like froggie says, the Brewers are probably the biggest overall question mark with their injuries and injury potential. And Narveson is mostly unproven.

Head-to-head, I probably take the Dodgers starters over the Giants. Might seem crazy, but I think the gap between Lincecum and Kershaw narrows this year, with Kershaw surpassing Tiny Tim in future seasons. Billingsley and Cain are about a wash. And I take Lily, Kuroda and Garland over Sanchez, Zito and Bumgarner. Vincente Padilla available to fill in where needed and he was their Opening Day starter last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:45 am 

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Mr Red wrote:

Head-to-head, I probably take the Dodgers starters over the Giants. Might seem crazy, but I think the gap between Lincecum and Kershaw narrows this year, with Kershaw surpassing Tiny Tim in future seasons. Billingsley and Cain are about a wash. And I take Lily, Kuroda and Garland over Sanchez, Zito and Bumgarner. Vincente Padilla available to fill in where needed and he was their Opening Day starter last year.

that is ridiculous. jonathan sanchez was 13-9 with like a 3.07 era last year he struck out over 200 batters in just under 200 innings. cain and lincecum are both aces that are proven. as of yet kershaw and billingsly have shown me nothing. id make a better comparison with zito and garland. both are nothing more than #5 starters. and bumgarner is a fucking stud. i would compare bumgarner with kershaw. really it makes me sick to my stomach for someone to say that an unproven pitcher is better than a 2 time cy young winning world series champions
. i mean dude what in the fuck are you smoking? id say a good comparison is billingsley and cain but the difference here is yet again that matt cain is a proven commodity. 4 straight 200 inning seasons and he had 190 5 years ago. he had an era over 4 one time in his career so far. billingsley has pitched over 200 innings 1 time in 5 years and that was 3 years ago. and lets not forget mention that cain is fucking world champion. in all honesty i wouldnt be suprised if cain win the cy young this year. and actually kershaws numbers are almost the same as sanchez although sanchez is a world series champion. i want some of what you are smoking

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:11 am 

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my predictions as follows
al east- red sox
central- chisox
west- angels
wildcard- tampa
winner- angels
nl east- phillies
central- brewers
west- giants
wildcard- cincy
winner- phillies
world series- angels
al mvp- longoria
al cy young- lester
al roy- mike moustakas
nl mvp- buster posey
nl cy young- edison volquez
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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:41 pm 
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Baseball is here.....

Heyward starting his year off right with a homer in his first at bat.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:42 pm 
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Left work early today to watch the Yankees kick it off against the Tigers. We did "plastic beer cup day" at the house with a party keg of Spaten, hot dogs, kielbasa and Italian sausage. Great fun all around, good game. Glad it's baseball season.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:55 pm 
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kyussfreak wrote:
i want some of what you are smoking


Once Lincecum suffers his first injury (and it'll happen before he turns 30), you're going to see a career arc akin to Hideo Nomo. I believe Kershaw (and even Cain) will end up with longer, more productive careers, at least as far as wins and Ks go. Kershaw may not get two Cy Youngs, but he'll probably end up with one before it's all said and done. I think if Kershaw doesn't pass Lincecum this year, it'll be next season at the very latest.

I won't argue that Cain isn't a stud. I think he and Billingsley are pretty even, or even give Cain the edge there. But after that, I'd rather have proven commodities in Lilly, Kuroda and Garland. Sanchez and Bumgarner have both only had a single decent sustained season. Zito is a proven loser. #3 to #5, I'm definitely going with the Dodgers.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:34 pm 
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Red, look at Zito's career line without holding that horrible horrible horrible contract over him, he's a decent back end guy. 2008 was bad and 2007 not that good, but otherwise, he's not that terrible. For making $120 million or whatever it is you want a guy you can trust to play in the playoffs obviously, but without that contract held over his head he really isn't a bad back end guy.

As to the 2 rotations, I'd take SF's rotation over LA's.

I agree with what your saying about Lincecum, and he did have a drop off last year, but I think what you are talking about is the future until it happens (which is why I'd take Kershow over Lincecum if I built a team). Today, I think the two are close to even, with the edge to Kershow.

I take Cain over Billingsley.

Lilly and Kuroda are the more proven vets, but Sanchez and Bumgarner are the higher upside picks, imo. They've flashed potential already, I think Sanchez is probably emerging now while Bumgarner probably still developing. I take the SF duo personally.

I'll take Garland and his contract, but otherwise I might go Zito.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:32 am 

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Red, look at Zito's career line without holding that horrible horrible horrible contract over him, he's a decent back end guy. 2008 was bad and 2007 not that good, but otherwise, he's not that terrible. For making $120 million or whatever it is you want a guy you can trust to play in the playoffs obviously, but without that contract held over his head he really isn't a bad back end guy.

As to the 2 rotations, I'd take SF's rotation over LA's.

I agree with what your saying about Lincecum, and he did have a drop off last year, but I think what you are talking about is the future until it happens (which is why I'd take Kershow over Lincecum if I built a team). Today, I think the two are close to even, with the edge to Kershow.

I take Cain over Billingsley.

Lilly and Kuroda are the more proven vets, but Sanchez and Bumgarner are the higher upside picks, imo. They've flashed potential already, I think Sanchez is probably emerging now while Bumgarner probably still developing. I take the SF duo personally.

I'll take Garland and his contract, but otherwise I might go Zito.

i think lincecum will be fine after he hurts his arm. he proved last year when his velocity went down that he can pitch. remember he lost his velocity around midseason. he isnt a one pitch pony. if all he had to rely on is his fastball then id be worried but he has 3 other pitches that are above average. the guy is alot better pitcher than people give him credit for

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:29 pm 
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Kyle Drabek looked really good against Minny this morning. Now, I got it turned over to a tight one in KC with the Angels.

Fuck, it's great having baseball back!

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:07 pm 

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Had no idea the Giants defense was going to let us win two tight games or that Davey Lopes was going to turn the Dodgers into the Angels on the bases. I thought Sanchez out-pitched Billingsley, both were decent, but not dominant.

Angels lose 2nd in a row because of set-up relievers to KC. Meh.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:31 am 
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Break up the Mariners!

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
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Mr Red wrote:
Kyle Drabek looked really good against Minny this morning. Now, I got it turned over to a tight one in KC with the Angels.

Fuck, it's great having baseball back!




Hey red, are you going to get the baseball package this year? I'm going to get it. It'll be the best $160, or whatever it will cost, that I will spend all year.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:48 am 
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Oh yeah, you know it. Been enjoying the free preview the last few days. Money well spent.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:20 am 

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It's only five games into the season and including tonight's game we will already have seen the Yankees televised nationally three times. By the end of the weekend it will probably be eight times since they play the Red Sox. I don't mind watching the Yankees but does ESPN, FOX and the MLB Network have to televise every game in which they play. It's already getting to be overkill.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:23 am 
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At least you have the MLB package....

I'd sign up for Xtra Innings if I still lived on the East Coast so when I get home from work at 10/11 I'd be able to go to bed to some live baseball, but my schedule kinda messes with my ability to take advantage of the package to make it worth it. I did it a couple years back and didn't feel I got my money's worth out of it.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:42 pm 
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Panic in Wrigleyville!!!!

first time a home crowd has been under 27,000 since 2002, and it happened on back to back days.

That being said, Andrew Cashner looked REALLY good yesterday in his (shortened) first major league start. hopefully the shoulder soreness is a non-issue.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:24 pm 
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Went to Yankee Stadium tonight for the first game in my partial season package and it got called for rain. They raised the price of everything this year. $30 to park, $12 for a Sapporo or a Czechvar. The good news is they added bratwurst and that the Loebel's roast beef sandwich didn't go up. Everything else is more $$$.

They'll probably do a day/night tomorrow and I won't be able to go because I have to work late. Bleh. Would've liked to see Garcia pitch against Carl Pavano and the Twins. So it goes.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
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Mr Neutron wrote:
Panic in Wrigleyville!!!!


Why should Cubs fans panic? There's always good seats at the bar come October? lol...


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:46 am 
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Went to Yankee Stadium tonight for the first game in my partial season package and it got called for rain. They raised the price of everything this year. $30 to park, $12 for a Sapporo or a Czechvar. The good news is they added bratwurst and that the Loebel's roast beef sandwich didn't go up. Everything else is more $$$.

They'll probably do a day/night tomorrow and I won't be able to go because I have to work late. Bleh. Would've liked to see Garcia pitch against Carl Pavano and the Twins. So it goes.



It apparently isn't going to be rescheduled until late in the summer because the Twins have to get out of town for their home opener.

I watched parts of both of the Twins/Yanks games and man, there are a LOT of empty seats in the Bronx nowadays. Being cold weekday nights in April, I guess I should discount this, but man they're in the largest concentrated population in the country. They need to lower those prices!

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
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Doesn't Yankee Stadium have a section of seating set up to be kinda premier seating, right near the field and very visible on tv, that is ridiculously overpriced and often not filled? Thought I remember reading something about that last year when the stadium just opened.

$12 for a beer is ridiculously expensive. Especially Sapporo.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
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Mr Red wrote:
It apparently isn't going to be rescheduled until late in the summer because the Twins have to get out of town for their home opener.

I watched parts of both of the Twins/Yanks games and man, there are a LOT of empty seats in the Bronx nowadays. Being cold weekday nights in April, I guess I should discount this, but man they're in the largest concentrated population in the country. They need to lower those prices!


Listening to the game now. It's too bad they didn't do a doubleheader today. Being stuck at the office anyhow, that'd be a decent companion to the afternoon.

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Manny Ramirez retires. He apparently flunked a MLB drug test and just decided to quit instead of facing the penalty.

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