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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:40 am 

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I never, ever get tired of watching Prince Fielder golf-swing those moon shots. Shame it didn't do anything for Milwaukee tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:22 am 

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Adam wrote:
2-0 Texas off Nelson Cruz walk off grand slam.



That is what playoff baseball is all about.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:16 pm 
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The Tigers just can't get any timely hits. They were literally one hit away from winning both of the first two games. Goddamn, I hope they come thru tonight. Texas can eat a dick.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:24 pm 
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Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein is "on the cusp" of leaving Boston to take a job with the Cubs, reports the Boston Herald.
Per writer Steve Buckley, two sources have confirmed that Chicago's offer "is believed to include powers greater than he has in Boston, with an announcement expected to be made 'within the next 24 to 48 hours." Compensation will have to be worked out between the organizations first, with the Red Sox expected to ask for legitimate value, be it money, players, or both. Epstein, 38, has been Boston's GM for nine years. His teams won two World Series titles and made the playoffs in six of nine seasons. A 7-20 September collapse cost Terry Francona his managerial job and Boston may soon be seeking a replacement at general manager as well.


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ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports that Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein would be restricted from taking Boston employees to Chicago with him, via a trade agreement between the clubs.
The only exception would be defections that the Red Sox agree to. Sean McAdam of Comcast Sports Net reported around the same time that the Cubs are seeking help from major league baseball on "compensation protocol," but that it is an issue that Boston and Chicago will work out amongst themselves. Epstein, 38, won two World Series titles in Boston and made the playoffs in six of his nine seasons.


The idea of trading for a GM is as ridiculous as trading for a coach. Makes sense the Cubs would make such a move I guess then.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:29 am 

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Boston Globe has a rather harsh, yet interesting, piece on the Sox collapse in September. Confirms a lot of what's been related already, primarily that the clubhouse was a clusterfuck of self-interest and nothing else.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:41 am 
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Interesting article...they definitely did a good job singlings out Beckett, Lester, and Lackey. Given how poorly Lackey's pitched for them, he deserves to have the wrath of Red Sox nation on him. Hopefully they unleash all their fury on him.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:01 am 

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can i get a link?

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:13 pm 

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ESPN is reporting that Epstein is going to the Cubs. He is getting a 5 year/$20 million deal.


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7091803/sources-theo-epstein-agrees-five-year-deal-chicago-cubs-leave-boston-red-sox

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:45 pm 

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http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/10/12/beer-fried-chicken-and-video-games-how-the-red-sox-collapsed-in-september/?sources=topbuttons

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:49 pm 

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thanks man that was good reading

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:19 pm 
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Figured Epstein would be the Cubs' guy.
Of course they didnt interview anyone else.....

Now, they'll overpay to sign either Fielder, or Pujols then watch said "prize" suffer a season ending injury in game 3 of 2012.

This is how the Cubs go.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:28 am 
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That Delmon Young acquisition is paying off big time for Detroit this post season. Hope it's enough but I am not sure the Tigers can pull this comeback off.

Got a little more hope for Milwaukee.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:32 am 
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Court documents obtained by TMZ.com allege that Milton Bradley threatened to kill his wife last month.
Monique Bradley alleges that her husband threatened her with a baseball bat during a September 27 incident, and picked up a photo of a gun and told her, "This is the gun that I'm going to kill you with." She added that Bradley has been "emotionally and physically abusive" throughout their marriage, but she would often take him back because "I genuinely believed that one day I could fix him." A hearing on the matter is scheduled for October 25, and, in the meantime, Monique has filed a restraining order.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:42 am 

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Court documents obtained by TMZ.com allege that Milton Bradley threatened to kill his wife last month.
Monique Bradley alleges that her husband threatened her with a baseball bat during a September 27 incident, and picked up a photo of a gun and told her, "This is the gun that I'm going to kill you with." She added that Bradley has been "emotionally and physically abusive" throughout their marriage, but she would often take him back because "I genuinely believed that one day I could fix him." A hearing on the matter is scheduled for October 25, and, in the meantime, Monique has filed a restraining order.


Some people will never learn.

maybe thats just who he is. the guy is batshit crazy. you cant learn how not to be batshit crazy

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:43 pm 
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throw Bradley and Carl Everett in the octagon with a bat and let them have at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:27 pm 

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^ Winner gets Albert Belle...

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:29 pm 
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Red Sox owner John Henry said in an interview on CBS Radio that he "personally opposed" the signing of Carl Crawford but deferred to those in the team's baseball operations.
"We had plenty of left-handed hitting," Henry said. "I don’t have to go into why. I’ll just tell you that at the time I opposed the deal, but I don’t meddle to the point of making decisions for our baseball team." It's quite a statement that the owner of a team didn't want one of his highest-paid employees and also could be interpreted as a jab at soon-to-be former GM Theo Epstein. Henry might have to have a conversation with Crawford now to smooth things over and hopefully kill any more additional bad PR that's come the team's way lately.


The drama in Beantown continues. I wonder have far it will be taken? I wouldn't have expected Red Sox ownership to air their dirty laundry but I guess everyone wants the chance to hear themselves speak.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:49 am 
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David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com is reporting that negotiations between the Cubs and Red Sox have turned increasingly contentious and the two sides remain far apart on a compensation package that would allow Theo Epstein to accept a job with Chicago.
"The Red Sox hold the cards here because they have their new GM in Ben Cherington and they control Theo for the next 12 months," said one baseball executive. "If they want they can force him to stay in Boston or on the sidelines for the next year." Epstein's reported interest in bringing former assistants to Chicago is causing the Red Sox to seek more compensation than the Cubs are willing to give up, and ownership appears content to make a point at the expense of Epstein. The Red Sox have reportedly asked for top prospects as compensation.


This is getting better and better.

I'm getting the sense that the Red Sox aren't bluffing here and would be happy to ley Theo brew on the sidelines, even if they have to pay him his salary.

As for the Cubs, they would be ridiculously stupid to give up any kind of valued prospect, let alone a top prospect, for Epstein.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:31 pm 

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There was a time that Boston may have been able to leverage getting one prospect (and possibly a top one, if we're talking about the Cubs) for Epstein, which would have still been stupid of whoever was trading for him, but after the last couple of years? And especially after this year?

Can Boston force him into a beer vendor position? Because that would be fantastic.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:38 pm 
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ive heard the Red Sox want Brett Jackson from the Cubs, who is their top prospect.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:49 pm 
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Maybe they can get Theo to sell those beers wearing that gorilla costume he snuck out of Fenway in a few years back.

Personally as a Red Sox fan, I feel like this shit comes with the territory. If you look at the Yankees, every year they have some kind of meltdown or somebody is unhappy...this season turned out better for them than it did for the Sox, but they still had the Posada situation and a few other guys having shitty months or a shitty season that the papers blow up into these epic stories...because that's what the papers do. Every year.

Obviously this really bad, you've got a coach and GM out, the team sinking under the weight of overpaid duds, and a lot of people talking who'd be better off keeping their mouths shut. But this crap happens in all the other baseball cities, and a lot more often, because there are a lot of teams that are continually going nowhere and have front office or manager sackings every other year (Mets?). I don't think the Red Sox are going to nosedive...there's too much talent, and they only missed the playoffs by an inch. Injuries had as much to do with it as any drinking in the clubhouse or half assed play or whatever. This isn't the Mets, so they should have had enough gas to make it, but that's life. Now they have six months to get their shit together.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:27 pm 
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Well said Ralph.

I sure hope Detroit can keep it going tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:16 pm 
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RalphSnart wrote:
Obviously this really bad, you've got a coach and GM out, the team sinking under the weight of overpaid duds, and a lot of people talking who'd be better off keeping their mouths shut. But this crap happens in all the other baseball cities, and a lot more often, because there are a lot of teams that are continually going nowhere and have front office or manager sackings every other year


Like The Cubs?
Managers that want to bear imaginary crosses because of perceived racism (dusty baker), managers that don't care a lick about their job (lou pinella) players with very obvious mental issues (milton bradley, carlos zambrano), a GM that signs numerous horrible contracts (Hendry's signing of Alphonso Soriano and re-signing Zambrano come to mind)

Yeah, there are other teams with similar issues that can derail a season. Hell there are still people that believe a guy in the stands kept the Cubs from winning the World Series in '03.

Boston has been under the microscope for that collapse, but the ownership / management has been odd in this post season.
According to John Henry they've allowed Theo to talk with the Cubs, but havent allowed him to leave? Yet interviews he's given all speak about Epstein in the past tense.
Henry also completely buried Carl Crawford & Theo on a radio station, saying Crawford wasn't a needed piece for the team, but that the "baseball minds" said he was a smart pickup.
There's also this story going around that the team leaked info saying Francona had a drug problem. Doing this after he leaves the team seems to be a direct attempt to keep him from getting another job, which is shady at best. But this is just a rumor right now.


Neither of these two franchises is a model I would use to try and run a team around, the one difference being the Red Sox have 2 world series in the past decade, the Cubs none in over a century. Bad decisions, and Jerry Jones style personal dramas are somewhat easier to take when you've actually accomplished something in the last 4 generations of your fanbase.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:02 pm 
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RalphSnart wrote:
Obviously this really bad, you've got a coach and GM out, the team sinking under the weight of overpaid duds, and a lot of people talking who'd be better off keeping their mouths shut. But this crap happens in all the other baseball cities, and a lot more often, because there are a lot of teams that are continually going nowhere and have front office or manager sackings every other year (Mets?).


That shit doesn't happen in Denver. Rockies fall fat on their faces and not a peep from anyone around here. Which sucks as I love being around passionate fan bases and teams. The drama sucks when its your team (having been a Met fan I know it all too well), but it also is kinda fun as keeps you involved. I really miss that.

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I don't think the Red Sox are going to nosedive...there's too much talent, andthey only missed the playoffs by an inch.


True but kinda misleading, imo. Numbers don't exactly tell the whole story there, you gotta put the context of the situation in play. Injuries played a part but it seems like it was a pretty toxic environment there and it only seems to be getting uglier and uglier. Yeah, if they can fix their pitching then they have the talent to rebound for sure. But if they don't fix the team climate and focus than they probably are in for a struggle, imo. Granted, you're the local so you probably have the clearer picture of the situation than me, I'm just writing what I am seeing from afar.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2011
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:08 pm 
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Mr Neutron wrote:
There's also this story going around that the team leaked info saying Francona had a drug problem. Doing this after he leaves the team seems to be a direct attempt to keep him from getting another job, which is shady at best. But this is just a rumor right now.


Francona actually responded to the rumors. He obviously denied having any sort of problem but did admit to taking pain medication with reason and at one point consulting with a doctor to make sure he was being responsible with it on the behalf of (I think it was) his son who expressed concern. That response seemed like there could be some truth to the rumors.

Either way, I don't really care, and that was definitely not cool on Boston for leaking that rumor out there. Just seems like everyone there is bitter and wants to take it out on whoever they can. Anyone going into that organization, be it coach or player, must have some concern over what the climate is going to be like. Granted, money, that roster, and a great fanbase makes it a desirable landing spot but it might not be all fun and games right away.


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