h.p. taskmaster wrote:
At what point does being a fan of a band become like being in an abusive relationship? It's not just you dude, I totally feel the same way. Nothing they can do to piss on their legacy at this point is going to top how awful Forbidden was, though, and if Geezer Butler's playing bass on those songs, that would still be enough to get me out to the show.
Is it Sabbath? Vaguely. Is it the preferred situation? Not at all. I'm not proud to be a Sabbath fan now any more than I'm proud to be a Kyuss fan watching those squabbles, but screw it, rockstars behaving like children is nothing new, and if I was going to swear off every band who had one or more assholes in it, I'd never be able to listen to music again.
I'm not sure in which alternative universe a line-up including Iommi, Butler and Osbourne can be considered only vaguely Sabbath. Who was I watching when I saw the Iommi/Martin/Murray/Powell line-up way back when? And let's not forget the classic Iommi/Martin/Jo Burt /Terry Chimes incarnation. Those are what I would call vaguely Sabbath.
Anyway, this latest bullshit is just quintessential Sabbath. Their legacy has been pissed on far worse in the past and not just by total crap like Forbidden (and, I would add, turgid crap like Tyr) but really embarrassing and damaging stuff like Sun City, Live Aid, the David Donato debacle, Iommi's shitty treatment of his various hired hands, the Glenn Huge debacle, supporting Ozzy at Costa Mesa. I could go on. Believe me, certainly in the UK in the late 80s and 90s Sabbath were seen as a joke; it was not cool to be a fan. I would argue that their stock is actually higher now than it ever has been.
cringeworthy to see 60-odd year old men engaging in online flame wars, and I blame Bill for that as much as the other three, but at the end of the day, last Saturday I saw Black Sabbath
absolutely crush and in 3 weeks time me and the missus get to do it all again but also take our little girl and boy (15 and 9) to see a band they have loved since they were in the womb, a band they never thought they would get to see, and Tony Iommi, a man we all feared we would never see again.
To see them-and to see them do it so well-is good enough for me.