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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:28 am 
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Do you mean nine figures? Like 100's of millions?

I personally think the Mets might have gotten suckered by Reyes. Why wouldn't Alderson have been given a good faith effort to trade him in the season when he had value otherwise? They could have dumped him and his salary midseason for a boatload of prospects. They dumped K-Rod and Beltran midseason, why hold onto Reyes as well if they didn't think they had a realistic shot to sign him?

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:43 am 
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Mr Red wrote:
Do you mean nine figures? Like 100's of millions?

I personally think the Mets might have gotten suckered by Reyes. Why wouldn't Alderson have been given a good faith effort to trade him in the season when he had value otherwise? They could have dumped him and his salary midseason for a boatload of prospects. They dumped K-Rod and Beltran midseason, why hold onto Reyes as well if they didn't think they had a realistic shot to sign him?


Yeah, I meant 9 figures.

And that 2nd paragraph is my whole point. I think it has to do with the Wilpons not letting Sandy trade him. I think they were cowards and afraid of any fan fall out a trade might have brought. Loss of ticket sales probably being central motivator. I bet they figured they could could keep him for the season, make a show like they wanted to keep him, then have some team offer him a $100 million+ dollar deal so they could say "Sorry guys, we tried." Even though they really didn't, it was all just a facade.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:52 pm 

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Now, the Mets needs to figure out what they are going to do about David Wright. His contract is essentially up after the 2012 season. Although, their is a team option for 2013 do they still want to build the team around him, or should they trade him and get enough pieces to rebuild. He really is the only guy on that team worth paying to see now.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:56 pm 

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david wright hasnt been worth to pay to see since matt cain hit him in the head with that pitch.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:09 pm 

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kyussfreak wrote:
david wright hasnt been worth to pay to see since matt cain hit him in the head with that pitch.




I thought Wright actually put up some decent numbers after he came back from his back injury last year. Other than Reyes there wasn't anyone who was consistently getting on base for him to drive runs in. Plus, teams pitched around him because of the lack of run production behind him int he lineup. Then again, we were probably watching different games last year so maybe you're right about Wright.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:18 pm 

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Aramis Ramirez to Philly seems to be getting a lot of play right now...if true, then it's a helluva move by the Phils as Ramirez still has some good, if not great, years left in him.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:19 pm 

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im going of his end of the year stats because i went to 2 mets games but other than that they are dreadful to watch. they are bringing in the fence 15 ft for next year so maybe that will help

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:29 pm 

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i have to admit that i totally overlooked david wrights production last year. my beefs with him is that he strikes out way too much these days and his average has dropped 75 points. maybe bringing the fence in will help and hopefully ike davis comes back healthy because i think he can be a solid 1stbaseman. 290 hitter 25 homrues 95 rbi type of guy and he plays a solid 1st

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:47 pm 

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heavythisaxe wrote:
Aramis Ramirez to Philly seems to be getting a lot of play right now...if true, then it's a helluva move by the Phils as Ramirez still has some good, if not great, years left in him.





If they do sign him the Phillies need to get rid of Polanco somehow. If not, he'll be an expensive bench guy.



The Phillies signed Lance Nix to a 2 year deal last night. I like the deal only because he'll platoon in LF with Mayberry and he gives them some pop off the bench to go with Thome. Something they have severely lacked over the past few years.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:09 pm 

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I like the Nix move...he's a good insurance policy and should push Mayberry to excel...as for Polanco, I've heard the Cards are interested in bringing him back...I'm sure quite a few teams would like to have him.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:03 pm 
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I don't think the Wilpons will trade Wright. He's now their only draw and they seem to be in love with him as the face of their franchise.

I do think they should trade him at this point though. Makes the most baseball sense if the right deal is offered. That said, there is no difference between trading him this year or next as either team is only getting one season out of him due to his contract structure voiding the final season if traded. If teams aren't knocking down the door with great offer though it probably then makes the most sense to hold onto him and hope he can have a good 2012 and boost his value.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:06 pm 
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And Nix for 2 years $2.5 million is a very solid deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:14 pm 

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Adam wrote:
If teams aren't knocking down the door with great offer though it probably then makes the most sense to hold onto him and hope he can have a good 2012 and boost his value.

i totally agree with you on this. he is still young and he could become david wright again

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:25 am 
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Let the fallout from the Reyes trade begin!

Hanley Ramirez "distraught" over having to switch positions. Trade that malcontent's ass, he's had attitude issues in the past and now they got themselves a replacement. Some team will surely over pay for him.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:41 am 
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heavythisaxe wrote:
Aramis Ramirez to Philly seems to be getting a lot of play right now...if true, then it's a helluva move by the Phils as Ramirez still has some good, if not great, years left in him.


He'll put up his #'s, but he is AWFUL in the field without a gold glove type at first to bail his ass out.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:55 am 

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Mr Neutron wrote:
heavythisaxe wrote:
Aramis Ramirez to Philly seems to be getting a lot of play right now...if true, then it's a helluva move by the Phils as Ramirez still has some good, if not great, years left in him.


He'll put up his #'s, but he is AWFUL in the field without a gold glove type at first to bail his ass out.



The Aramis Ramirez to the Phillies is all a ploy to get Jimmy Rollins to resign with the Phils.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:37 pm 

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Pujols was offered a 10 year deal from the Marlins. I wonder if this is a ploy to drive up an offer from the Cardinals.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:01 pm 
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After accusing the Marlins of being nothing but a show for free promotion for their new stadium and then watching them sign Reyes and Heath Bell I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt here, a little.

That said, sounds like Pujols is demanding a No Trade clause and the Marlins have always refused to include those in deals. It'll be interesting to see what how they respond.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:39 pm 

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so hanley ramirez informed the marlins that he will not accept a position change and he wants to be traded. seems like to the mets

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:48 pm 

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Love the Jays trade for Sergio Santos today. For the money - 2.75m a year - he's a hell of a lot better value than Heath Bell/Papelbon given his stats the last few years. Molina, the guy the gave up projects as a future top of the rotation guy, so it's a fair deal. Guess the Chisox are in full on rebuild mode.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:06 pm 

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10 years for Pujols is absurd. People do realize that he'll be 42 at the end of a 10 year deal, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:15 pm 
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You'd have thought teams would have learned their lesson from the Arod extension.

Actually, no you wouldn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:19 pm 
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Acknowledging they won't be contenders until at least 2014, Mets go out and sign Jon Rauch and Frank Francisco and trade Angel Pagan to SF Ramon Ramirez and Andres Torres.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
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Loria needs to call Tom Hicks for a rehash of the A-Rod fiasco and his ensuing bankruptcy...the Cards GM announced a new deal was offered to Pujols earlier today that is structured differently than the $198 million offer from January...no word yet on specific numbers...the Cards' front office is playing it cool thus far...key words being "thus far"...rumor has it that Pujols' people are demanding to look at the Marlins' books, in addition to the trade clause issue...hopefully, the Marlins' accounting is of the Enron variety.

As for Ramirez, his defense is shit, but the Phillies have more than enough offense to cover for his errors...I'm also not sold on the notion that the Ramirez chatter is a Rollins-related ploy...the Rockies seem to be taking it seriously enough to inquire about Polanco.

Agree that the Jays move for Santos was solid...was also good for Sox as their bullpen is stacked with 2 or 3 prospective closers...I have mixed feelings about Pagan...seems like every time he starts living up to his potential, he gets hurt or traded...if he can get back into 2010 form, watch out.

Adam, what are your thoughts on the Edinson Volquez for Huston Street trade rumors?...Volquez has talent but is a total head case...do the Rockies go with Betancourt full time?


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:34 am 
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Rockies are going with Betancourt as their closer, whether or not Street is around.

But Betancourt scares me. Less than half a season closing in a relatively stress free, non-contending situation from a guy who has faltered in such a role in the past and you're ready to hand him the closing job and give away your safety net? Scary, imo. And given how fickle closers are I still think Street could come back and be the best closer on the team (I'd rather sleep in his bed than Betancourt's, personally) so I definitely have my reservations. My biggest hope is that Rex Brothers finds a way to mature very quickly and wins himself the job. Probably not happening, he's still a little raw, but that's my wish.

Volquez was horrible last year. I don't think I could handle watching him give up as many runs in the first inning as a he did last season, always putting his team in a hole to start the game. That said, I do think he still has some upside and if he could turn things around he'd be just what the Rockies need. And Rockies need SP in the worst possible way so I could get behind such a deal. It's not my favorite Street rumor that I have heard, I think I prefer the Jeremy Guthrie trade, but if the Rockies go Volquez I'd be okay with it.


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