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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:48 pm 

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that signing disgusts me. the marlins are going to over pay people just trade them in 2 years anyways. jeffery loria doesnt deserve to own a baseball team

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:33 pm 

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In some ways we can blame the Phillies for this signing. The Phillies set the market by giving Papelbon $12 million/year. I can understand why the Marlins gave Bell $9 million/year, but at the same time its kind of surprising they signed Bell because they have Nunez. I guess they'll get rid of him, or have him set up. Now, I see Madson getting at least the same as Bell if not more.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:37 pm 

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really? madesn isnt nearly as good as bell

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:41 pm 
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There is no Leo Nunez.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:48 pm 

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yes there is. he has been Juan Carlos Oviedo best friend since childhood. Juan Carlos Oviedo didnt just make up the name leo nunez. he knows leo nunez. they traded names to save Juan Carlos Oviedo like 150k when he signed

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:26 pm 
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Dodgers sign Chris Capuano to a 2 year, $10 million deal.

Colleti is having a curious off season. Kemp deal I like but Ellis and Capuano on multi-year deals? Kinda pointless.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:43 am 

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Woah, Magic Johnson announcing today that he had joined forces with Guggenheim Baseball Management in hopes of buying the Dodgers! Stan Kasten from the Nats would come in as the top baseball guy. Like!

In non-baseball (but more important) sports news, Magic also says Jim Buss has opened negotiations to get Dwight Howard to the Lakers. Want!


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:18 pm 
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I want Cuban to buy the Dodgers but I guess if Magic does instead that can leave the door open for Cuban to buy my Mets, whose sale seems inevitable at this point as MLB talks about potentially lending them even more money as the Mets continue to dig a bigger and bigger hole.

What's everyone's thoughts on Yoenis Cespedes? Initially the talk was he was going to get a Chapman type contract (~$30 million) now the talk is that he's going to command north of that, I have read as high as ~$50 million. I don't know the scouting reports on this guy but that's a lot of money for an unknown.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:03 pm 

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Mark Cuban is as dumb as Frank McCourt if he thinks LA wants the hated Mavs owner to buy the Dodgers. I've already got my graffiti spots all picked out. Magic could get the Dodgers to 3.5 million attendance and bring in the inner city fans Cuban will never reach. But McCourt will take the most $$, so none of that matters.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:25 pm 
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Cuban's never stated an interest in buying the Dodgers, I just said I'd have liked him to. My interest was less in the team there than just getting him into MLB. I hadn't thought about the Lakers-Mavericks connection but now that you brought it up that could make it kinda fun (for everyone watching from the outside).


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:30 pm 

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Well, ..., that used to be true.
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Mark Cuban plans to bid on Dodgers

PUBLISHED Friday, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:07 am EST
Sporting News

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban will try once more to purchase a Major League Baseball team, as the Los Angeles Times reports he will bid on the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Cuban fell short in his attempts to purchase the Chicago Cubs and Texas Rangers in recent years, but he told the newspaper that he “will see a book” on the Dodgers. That book is a collection of confidential data about the franchise sent to prospective buyers.
Mark Cuban has explored buying baseball teams in the past. (AP Photo)

The news is somewhat surprising because Cuban recently told the Los Angeles Times he “wasn’t interested” in bidding for a team that figures to sell for at least $1 billion.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2 ... z1fVPDhCe9


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:43 pm 
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That has the potential to be awesome. He should post the random Mavericks promotion here and there just to taunt you Laker fans if he ever wins the bid.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:53 pm 

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Can you imagine Cuban coming to Laker games as Dodger co-owner and doing his usual OTT owner/superfan thingie? That dog won't hunt, monsignor! World Metta Peace might just strangle him, unless a Dodger fan gave him the Brian Stow treatment first.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:57 pm 

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stix that last comment was hurtful to us giant fans.i think mark cuban would be a fantastic owner for the dodgers but i prefer him owning the mets

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:24 pm 
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Stickman wrote:
Can you imagine Cuban coming to Laker games as Dodger co-owner and doing his usual OTT owner/superfan thingie? That dog won't hunt, monsignor! World Metta Peace might just strangle him, unless a Dodger fan gave him the Brian Stow treatment first.


Can you imaging him doing his OTT owner/supefan thingie with Dirk Nowitzki sitting right next to him? It would be great.

But is the crossover fandom between Dodger and Laker fans really that significant that LA as a whole couldn't get past Cuban's Mavericks ties? It seems if there is any city that could get past it and appreciate such an over the top personality it would be LA.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:25 pm 

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Hard to say, actually. Dodgers fans more likely to be Latinos or Asian Americans than Lakers fans are, but this is such a Lakers town and there is definitely crossover. I'd wonder about the Dallas backlash too, would they punish Cuban for going to a city they hate? I'm just shit-talking, I have no clue if Cuban would go over in general, he just wouldn't with me.

Angels seem to be taking aim at Aramis Raimerez, I'm not sure what it will take to get them back in contention.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:37 pm 

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Stickman wrote:
Hard to say, actually. Dodgers fans more likely to be Latinos or Asian Americans than Lakers fans are, but this is such a Lakers town and there is definitely crossover. I'd wonder about the Dallas backlash too, would they punish Cuban for going to a city they hate? I'm just shit-talking, I have no clue if Cuban would go over in general, he just wouldn't with me.

Angels seem to be taking aim at Aramis Raimerez, I'm not sure what it will take to get them back in contention.

the angels are in contention. they have a fantastic team with a fantastic manager. the gm makes some shotty moves but they are a well run team. if they sign aramis then that would be fine. he would fit well in the 5 hold in that order. im waiting to see what they do about kendrys morales. they have trumbo who wont hit 300 like kendrys but he will hit the same amount of homeruns and play a little better defensively. i think they should keep kendrys and dh him and get rid of abreu but i guess thats one of the reasons i dont run a mlb team. the dodgers will be fantastic for any owner to get into. they already have possibly the 2nd best pitcher in baseball behinf king felix and they have a superstar centerfielder locked up for a long long time. . they need to go ahead and get rid of eithier because i think he may be more of a cancer to them because he doesnt want to be there anymore. he wants to be in boston. i like the dodgers offseason moves also. they picked up a solid 2nd baseman in mark ellis to pair with dee gordon at ss. adam kennedy will be a good utility man and chris capuano although his deal was for way too long will be a good 4 or 5 starter. i dont like the rivera resigning and i dont care about matt treanor either but the dodgers will be ok

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:27 pm 
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Stickman wrote:
Angels seem to be taking aim at Aramis Raimerez, I'm not sure what it will take to get them back in contention.


To me, A-Ram seems like he could be your next Torii Hunter. I could see Anaheim paying for what he has done but getting something a little less and then being stuck with another bad offensive contract.

But you guys got a new GM who doesn't seem like quite the sucker your last one was when it came to committing a lot of money for potentially questionable offense. I like the Iannetta trade for Anaheim and now it appears they might be looking to extend him, though I do I wonder what that means for Hank Conger? I thought the Ianneta was just going to be a stop gap until Conger was ready but seems like it might be something different?


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:47 pm 
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I am reading that the Mets are out of the Reyes sweepstakes. A lot more bummed about this than I thought I'd be, but I also never thought he'd land in the same division as the Mets. I always thought I'd be able to root for him elsewhere.

And a Marlin signing isn't official yet but if the recent report that they upped their offer to 6 years, $111 million is true than its probably just a matter of time at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:28 pm 

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The Dodgers are making the kind of signings that only Baltimore's usually dumb enough to make. And Heath Bell, out of the NL West might be in for a shock. 6 yrs 111 million...wow. Good work if you can get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:16 pm 

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Jose Reyes is officially a bum

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:18 pm 
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The Marlins and Jose Reyes have agreed to a six-year, $106 million deal, pending a physical, according to FoxSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.
The deal does not include a no-trade clause. Miami put on a full court press over the weekend to secure Reyes and ended up blowing their competition out of the water. The 28-year-old Reyes batted .337/.384/.493 for the Mets in 2011 and should be elite again at the top of Miami's lineup in 2012. Interestingly, Fan Graphs believes Reyes was worth $118 million over the previous six years. If he can somehow stay healthy, Miami won't regret the contract. If Reyes can't stay off of the disabled list, the Marlins may rue this day. Either way, it's hard to fault Miami's management for aggressively attacking the open market this offseason and paying for premium talent. Hanley Ramirez is expected to move to third base


I now officially HATE the Wilpons

I posted this on a Mets board, I am going to post it here to.

I don't mind the Mets not signing him to such a deal. I have admitted in the past, and before all financial issues really took ahold, that I understood why they would be hesitant to hand Reyes such a large deal. And I said I'd support their decision to not go that route with him. But I take issue with the charade the Mets played pretending they had a shot at resigning him while knowing they weren't going to be able to afford him. I give Alderson enough credit that I can't imagine that he was so out of sync with the market that he honestly expected a contract less than 6 figures would be enough to sign him. So I gotta think that they knew all along they weren't going to be able to re-sign him. And if they knew they couldn't afford him they should have traded him when it was apparent they weren't legit playoff contenders.

True to form the Wilpons made the worse choice possible. They took the cowards way out by refusing to take the bull by the horn, instead taking the road they probably assumed offered the least amount of friction. By that I mean they put the onus on another team to make a contract offer and on Reyes to accept it so that comes off like the Mets were genuine in their approach and fans can't be mad at them. Total B$ in my eyes since I feel they went into this knowing that Reyes was going to be out of their price range all along.


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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:22 pm 

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If Jose Reyes wanted to play for the meta then he would be playing for the mets. That was an adequate offer for someone that wants to be somewhere. This is all on Jose Reyes. He is a fucking bum and I hope he breaks his fucking leg like Jason Kendall did way back when

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball 2012
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:39 am 
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He is a fucking bum and I hope he breaks his fucking leg like Jason Kendall did way back when


Typical Justin response.

I don't agree with your read on this Adam. Based on what I was reading about Reyes, it sounded like he always wanted to play in Miami and he was likely just using the Mets for leverage. Wasn't the original Marlins off like $90 MM? The wrangling with the Mets likely bought him another $16 MM. I don't think it's a terrible deal for the Marlins. It probably won't work out at the end of the contract for them, but it should be a good contract for the next four years or so, in-between DL stints. Crawford was his closest comparison at a weaker defensive position and he got $142 MM over seven years. The Mets would probably have had to get in the $120 MM range to bring him back to NYC. Probably more.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:17 am 
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Mr Red wrote:
I don't agree with your read on this Adam. Based on what I was reading about Reyes, it sounded like he always wanted to play in Miami and he was likely just using the Mets for leverage. Wasn't the original Marlins off like $90 MM? The wrangling with the Mets likely bought him another $16 MM. I don't think it's a terrible deal for the Marlins. It probably won't work out at the end of the contract for them, but it should be a good contract for the next four years or so, in-between DL stints. Crawford was his closest comparison at a weaker defensive position and he got $142 MM over seven years. The Mets would probably have had to get in the $120 MM range to bring him back to NYC. Probably more.


I think you're missing my point.

I was trying to say that the Mets had to figure the Reyes market was going to be at least 6 figures and if they weren't willing to pay that, as they weren't, they should have been upfront about it and planned ahead.


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